Huge Monday Night Show Draws Almost Every Band Member

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The Hard Times

SAN FRANCISCO — A huge hardcore show happening Monday, Jan. 12 at the Submission Gallery just received its 28th Facebook RSVP and is sure to draw almost every band member.

The bands, which will almost certainly be paid out of the promoter’s pocket – as per tradition in hardcore, showed their enthusiasm for the gig by spreading the flyer to everyone in the bands’ group text.

“I just didn’t want to bother anyone on my Facebook feed with the information on how to get to my show,” Kevin Gillion, frontman of the headlining act, who has never handed out a paper flyer in his life said. “Our booking agent takes care of all that stuff.”

Gillion says his band, Brick Teeth, earns their $500 guarantee with each one of their epic backs-turned-to-the-crowd performances.

James Tran, the band’s drummer, is still a “Maybe” on the Facebook event.

Despite promises made on…

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Where Did All The Locals Go?

Thinking back to my teenage years and early 20s I can not help but be flooded by the memories of going out to shows just about every day of the weekend, and by that I mean Thursday-Sunday. Shit, sometimes my friends and I would even hop between venues on the same night. That’s how alive the “scene” was.

So many bands, so many friends in bands, so much support from everyone…. Now that I am in my mid twenties and am on the other side of things (booking/promoting shows) I am left wondering… What the fuck happened?

The LCV always had an overage of local bands to support tours. Hell, we even had many nights where it was locals only and venues would still have a good amount of people out supporting. The
last few years it’s just seemed that the number of local bands and supports has dwindled down… But why?

I know many of us (people my age and older) may have just simply “grown up” & are too busy with life, as life happens. Maybe some just lost interest? Or maybe… Maybe my generation didn’t do a good job of welcoming and paving the road for the younger crowd. Did we fail you? I think we did.

Too many times I have seen/heard older people laugh at, criticize, and turn the other way at younger people simply because… They’re younger. Why do/did we do that? Rather than put ourselves on a pedestal, we should be lifting our youth. They are the ones that are going to continue on. We obviously aren’t gonna be around forever.

So to my fellow friends and older people, I want to encourage you to start lifting up the youth in our communities. Offer your advice and friendship. See that kid trying to play guitar? Show him/her what you know. Share your knowledge. Share stories of the fun stupid shit you and your friends did at your local venues. Offer them rides to shows.

And to my youngins, I would like to encourage you to keep going to shows, keep supporting bands, keep picking up that guitar, bass, drum, mic, pen, whatever it is… Keep at it. You are our future. Don’t let anyone make you feel less simply because you weren’t around in the scene during 2005.

With that being said, start bands, start writing and get back to me so I can get you on some of the shit we are bringing your way. We need locals. We need you. (Lol, but seriously)

Much love,

Ellie
MVMNT Presents
e. ellie@mvmntpresents.com

Heavy Hearts & Thoughts

My heart feels so heavy when I see people I know hurt, especially our youth. Even though my life is far from being dandy, I would gladly take on all the pains and worries so that they wouldn’t have to feel that weight.
I’ve been there, in the dark. I’ve thought those hidden thoughts that lurk behind shadows. I’ve felt pain and loneliness in a crowded room. Even still, I sometimes face those struggles.

If I could somehow take those sad feelings and thoughts… I would, but I am only human, like everyone else. All I can offer is an ear to listen, my honest thoughts & a reminder. A reminder that you were created and brought to life for greatness. A reminder that things DO get better. A reminder that not all is lost. A reminder to keep going.

I’ve never been a popular person. I don’t think people really ever think of me, or even know who I really am, but if any of you ever feel alone, I’ll be you’re friend. I’ll listen.

Presale? WTF.

Okay, so before I start this, I want to say that this is simply an observation I have made from my experiences with being in a band, having friends that are in bands, and also working behind the scenes with promoters and venues.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I just have to state mine, because the more I work behind the scenes, the more my eyes have been opened.

 

Okay, so “presale”, that dirty little word that makes most bands cringe.  Yes, I know there is a bad stigma at the mention of “presale”. We’ve all heard the horror stories of such and such promoter or such and such venues. “Those cheats! Thieves! & greedy bastards!”, “Why should we sell anything for them?!”, etc, etc. YES – I am aware of it all.

 

Up until about a year ago, I was on the same page as most of you.  FCK PRESALE.  Right? We ain’t paying to play! ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. That is where I think most of you have it wrong.  Don’t get mad at me just yet – Let me explain.

 

Now that I have been working as a promoter, granted it’s been less than a year and I am only an assistant, I have been enlightened about the concept.  I can’t speak for all promoters or venues, but I can speak for myself and those few others that I have met and worked with.

 

For myself and the company I work for, 100% of the time, bands are asked to do presale for the following 2 reasons:

 

1)  To ENCOURAGE your friends, family & local community to participate (& hey, at a discount price?! That’s awesome.)  Have any of you ever bought a presale ticket and thought, “damn, I should’ve just paid at the door…”? Probably not. Presale tickets can and should be used as a MARKETING TOOL for both promoters and bands alike! Selling tickets at a lower price will encourage more people to buy tickets which in turns means MORE PEOPLE TO WATCH YOU PREFORM!  Woaaaa, what?  But Ellie, no one I know really buys tickets or goes to shows really…

 

Hey, you know what I used to do when I was in a band? My band mates and I would all pitch in, buy the presales, and then… hand them out for free to people we thought would enjoy us.  But Ellie, why should we pay for presale tickets for a show we’re opening up for?

 

OK. SO THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO EXPLAIN.  I feel there needs to be a clear definition of what Presale and Pay-to-Play is, because there is a H U G E difference bewtween the two.  I am not going to name drop any promoters or venues, but sadly, there are those out there who will literally turn locals down for not hitting the required presale.  That everybody, is called a Pay-to-Play system. A terrible system, in my opinion.  That to me, is when you can tell that the promoter/venue has lost all heart and passion for music and entertainment and have become all money and business.

 

Unlike Pay-to-play, presale, just simply means, “Hey, let’s help each other out and try to get as many people to go to this show”.  After all, we are all a community of music lovers, asking for a helping hand isn’t something to look down on.  Just cause you’re asked to do presale, doesn’t mean you will be turned down if you don’t hit the desired number.  SIDE NOTE – Always make sure it’s clear what the promoter is asking of you… preasale or pay-to-paly – END SIDE NOTE.

 

Also, cut it with that pissy-posh, holier than thou, attitude of, “Oh, we don’t do presale” (not saying you all sound like this, but most…).  When you do that, you’re missing out on the opportunity to help your local music scene and are also missing out on the opportunity to promote yourselves and gain new listeners and followers. You’re missing out on playing a show because you don’t want to try and sell 10 tickets?  I mean, I understand that because of bad promoters the idea of presale is tainted, but honestly, not all promoters are going to treat you the same.

 

Okay now to number 2.

 

2) Presale is asked for to HELP pay the guarantee of the tour package (Wait, touring bands need to get paid?) Yes, it’s true.  Touring bands need to get paid, as they should! They’re traveling, need gas, food, clothes, shelter, etc. After all, touring and being in a band is there job!  SIDE NOTE – I do want to mention, that I do recognize that some bands, usually bigger-more-popular bands probably don’t need as much… cough… but, you know, if people are demanding them, then rightly deserved. It’s business END SIDE NOTE.

 

I remember being 15 and seeing almost every band that I was super into at my local venue, and it was usually packed.  Unfortunately, for reasons unknown, that doesn’t seem to happen much anymore and so as a way to cover our butts, presale is used  to help us ensure that the touring bands will get paid their guarantee. You know, as promoters, we want touring bands to feel welcome and we want them to have a  good time playing our hometowns as much as we want you, the show attendee, to have a good time rocking out to your favorite bands and also discovering new music!

 

Now before I close this essay, I do want you to understand this… Yes there are greedy promoters, venues, bands, and agents out there, but not all of us are.  Putting on a show is a lot of hard work, stress, and usually a pay loss, because you know when we don’t hit the guarantee or venue fee, it’s on us right? Are you getting this?  For most of us, this is a selfless job that we do out of love for the scene.

 

In the end, we are working to make everyone happy and we put ourselves last.  Bands must get paid. Venues need to get paid.  We put money on marketing (flyers, facebook “boosts”, etc).  We go back and forth with agents (usually not fun… -_-) We spend our time designing flyers for you.  We just want you to all have a good time! Even if we don’t see a dime, as long as you’re enjoying the music, that’s payment for us and hey, if you can help us BREAK EVEN, even better!

 

So in conclusion, to those who are not in bands, buy presale tickets when possible! & hey, if you missed presale, show up anyway! You complain about your music scene dying, but you’re content with not showing up to any shows? Stop that.  Support one another.  Point blank is, you want more bands to come through, show up to smaller shows, buy presales, share flyers on your social media (god forbid you loose “cool points” for spamming  your followers with your local shows).

 

And to those who are in bands, if you’re asked to do presale, and it’s clear that you won’t be turned down, help out dude.  We are a vital part of your music community.  Not every promoter is out to get you or your money.  Let’s prosper together in music.

 

END.